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锁艺译丛(7) - 谍报锁 前苏联

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导读: 继上篇锁艺译丛(6) - “极端”型 军事锁具 之后,相信大家也对这个奇怪的锁具倍感神秘! (很快也会从中华锁艺转载过来的) 之后我也为大家搜索了一下相关资料,最后在该锁主人的朋友的博客上找到了 ...

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Russian Spy Combo Lock



I bet you have never seen this lock before.

我敢打赌你们以前绝对没见过这样的锁!

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If you have you are either a Russian ‘diplomat’, have worked as a high ranked officer on a Russian nuclear submarine or operated a nuclear plant there. Or you are a member of Toool or Ssdev. Little is known about the lock, only that it is (was?) in use at the most critical parts of the Russian government and military. Fact is this lock is extremely rare. A US DOD lock specialist has been trying for years to get his hands on one, without success. He only located three of these locks in the world. Safe technician Paul Crouwel owns one of these three locks.


如果你是一名俄国外交官,或者一位俄国核潜艇的高级官员,又或者你手下掌管着核电站。再者您是锁艺论坛的会员,才可能会有机会接触到这样的锁具!

关于此锁具的资料相当少,我们只知道在俄罗斯政府部门和军队里 最重要的部门才会配备。而事实上这样的锁极为罕见。一位美国 国防部的锁具专家曾经花几年时间寻找这样的锁具,但也无果而终。他只找到了这仅存3把锁在世界上的分布位置!而保险箱技师保罗拥有这其中的一把!

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The lock has a seal function. It does not take much force to break the lock open. The design goal was obviously to prevent unauthorized and surreptitious access. The story we heard was that the lock was in use at Russian embassies. Instead of importing heavy safes from Russia they just bought a decent model on the local market. They secured the entrance of the original key hole with this lock. So in order to open the safe you first need to get passed this ‘seal lock’.

此锁的功能主要在于遮蔽和密封。并非用于抵御暴力性强开。设计的目的显然在于防范内部未经授权和窃取情报的访问。我们听说该锁具主要配备于苏联大使馆。为了避免从苏联进口庞大沉重的保险柜,苏联政府决定购买符合要求的当地生产的保险柜供大使馆使用,并且以该种锁具来防护原装保险柜的钥匙孔。所以假如你想打开保险柜你就必须先开启这把“密封锁”。

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To open it you need to dial a combination and use a key. So it can also be used in a system where two people are needed to open a specific safe. One person knows the combination and will dial it while the other person only has access to the key and operates it.

开启这把锁,除了钥匙之外,你还要知道密码。所以这种锁还能使用在要求 必须2人才能开启保险柜的场所。即一人负责密码,一人负责钥匙。

The other story we heard was that is was used in nuclear facilities and submarines. But we do not know for sure. We do know it is a lock with a strong ‘spy vs spy’ smell.

关于此锁,我们听说的另一种情况则是该锁使用于核设施或核潜艇中,但没人能确定。但是人人都知道这把锁的“谍战”气味浓重!

If you know more about this specific lock we would love to hear from you!

如果您了解更多关于此锁的资讯,我们将洗耳恭听!


另外一把不带钥匙开启的谍报锁!


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25 Responses to The ‘Russian Spy Combo Lock’
25条回复 关于“前苏联 谍报锁”

1.         mike says:

August 16, 2006 at 23:06

I don’t know much about them. But what i do know is i want one.
麦克 说:
我对这锁了解不多。但我很想要一个!

2.         seanrox says:

August 18, 2006 at 11:06
Wow Barry. What a great lock. You’ve out done yourself once again. Thanks for sharing this great information.
塞罗斯 说:
哇,巴瑞。这真是个好锁。您又一次超越自己了。很感谢您分享的资料!

3.         Barry says:

August 18, 2006 at 15:16
Seanrox: thanks. Keeping the blog up to date is a lot of work. But so far it has been worth it. I hope I can keep up the quality and quantity.

版主 巴瑞 回复 塞罗斯:
谢谢了!更新博客的工作量真挺大的。但现在看来都很值得!希望自己能提高质量和产量。

4.         seanrox says:

August 18, 2006 at 21:38
Indeed it’s a lot of work keeping a blog up to date but you don’t need to post daily. People, including myself would rather see quality posts once in a while then a ton of junk post about their cat climbing a tree or something strange like that, plus I’m a dog person
塞罗斯 说:
确实如此啊!更新博客的工作真的很多,当年你也不必每天更新吖!包括我在内的所有人都更希望看到高质量有营养的帖子,而不是一堆没用的垃圾!

5.         workstation says:

August 22, 2006 at 14:25
I like the way you enter the code. Much easier than the typical American combination lock.

工作站 说:
我喜欢这种密码盘的操作方式,比传统美国的密码锁要简单多了!

6.         Ronnie says:

August 30, 2006 at 18:51
You guys are on top of it! Thanks

罗尼 说:
你们真是顶尖高手啊! 谢谢!

7.         martin says:

September 5, 2006 at 18:49
hi barry,that lock was great loved the pair,i couldnt find out anything on the russian lock but managed to get hold of a nice example of the rosengrens cnab6 the engineering of this is beautifull,keep up the great work martin.

马丁 说:
你好 巴瑞,这锁真是不错,我对这把锁了解不多,但我找到一把样板的rosengrens cnab6 锁具,它涵盖的工程学令人吃惊啊!继续努力!

8.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:

November 28, 2006 at 22:20
Now to us it became clear, why mister Vels, us has not started up us on the seminar…
We think because we projected, and we do these Russian locks.
And you that, first time see good locks?
Russian Club of fans of locks

俄罗斯锁艺协会 说:
现在我们明白了,为什么威尔先生,不允许我们参加研讨会。。。
因为是我们设计和制造了这把锁!
难道你第一次见这样的好锁吗?


9.         Barry says:

November 28, 2006 at 22:45
Russian Club of fans of locks : What are you talking about? I have no clue. Please find someone to translate what you have to say and not use bablefish to get your message across. Are you saying you have seen this lock before? Or even know where to buy them? I would not mind buying one … or two …

版主 巴瑞 回复 俄罗斯锁艺协会:

你在说什么啊?怎么我一点都不懂。请你找个好点的翻译再来说吧,别用翻译软件。你是说之前你见过这锁吗?还是说知道哪里有的卖?有的话,我不介意买一两个。

10.         Russian lockpick sport group says:

November 28, 2006 at 22:54
Now we can understand why Barry did not allow us to be present on the Seminar. We design and produce these Russian locks and really can show even more that you in Europe didn’t know about.

俄罗斯锁艺协会 说:
我们现在明白为什么巴瑞不允许我们参加研讨会。就因为我们设计和生产这些锁具,我们甚至可以给你看更多资料!


11.         Barry says:

November 28, 2006 at 23:10
Russian lockpick sport group (formerly known as fans of locks): You are bluffing. Just mail me one picture of this lock, or a different key. I do not beleive you at all. You where welcome to visit the championships, just as everyone else. I can not see any logic to your remark ‘now we understand why we were not welcome’. What would be the reason not to allow you entrance at the Dutch Open in regards to this lock? We talk about this Russian lock with great interest and welcome anybody who knows more about it, or about similar locks. Â

版主 巴瑞 回复 俄罗斯锁艺协会:
你真是靠吓!光是在邮件里展示几幅锁具和钥匙的图片,就想让人相信你吗?你和所有人一样,都欢迎来参加锁具锦标赛啊!我一点都搞不懂你为什么说我不欢迎你们。有谁会不让你们在荷兰的开放锁艺协会里提及这种锁呢?我们对这把俄产的谍报锁兴趣浓厚,并且非常欢迎有识之士的指教!

12.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:
November 29, 2006 at 15:29
You are not polite person mister Wels.
You invited us only to the open seminar. It is not interesting to us to look, how the Chinese cylinders is opend.
Now about the Russian lock.
The person, who has sold for you this lock, could appear in Russian prison. Because of all similar locks have number and are confidential.
These locks are developed in Russia and we shall not show them to you. You are not experienced of Russian locks. If you wish to learn to open such locks, enter the name on Russian seminars.

俄罗斯锁艺协会 说:
威尔先生,你不是一个懂礼貌的人!
你邀请我们参加研讨会只是为了给你捧场。但我们对你怎么开启中国的锁芯一点兴趣都没有!
该谈正事了!
向你出售这把锁的人,估计现在已经被逮捕。因为所有类似的锁都有独立的序列号而且是机密的!
这些锁具是由俄罗斯开发的,我们有权不让你了解。而且你对俄罗斯的锁具知道得也不多。假如你想得到更多的信息,就来俄罗斯锁艺研讨会报名!


13.         Barry says:

       November 29, 2006 at 16:38
Dear Russian Club of fans of locks who are also sportgroup and lock
manufacturer: Why am I not polite? We only invite people for the
entire weekend we know and trust. A weekend with free alcohol and
expensive toys/locks all over the place require a basic level of
trust. And we do not know you at all, so there is no level of trust.
If you never take the first step to come to one of the open meetings
you will never be invited to the closed sessions. It is that simple.
What is not polite about that? Not to mention your request if I could
file a thick stack of export visa papers for you, making myself
responsible for your people.
And still no answer from you to the logic behind your remark now we understand why we were not welcome. Please clarify.
Looking at your reply on how you think people should be in jail for
handing out this lock make me fear you just are not the right person
for joining the weekend anyway. Please do not mistake honesty for not being polite, I think we are operating in two different worlds, worlds that are not compatible.

版主 巴瑞 回复 俄罗斯锁艺协会:

我哪里做得不够周到了?在周末,我们只会邀请自己信任的人参加。整个周末提供免费的啤酒还有贵重的锁具/玩具,当然不会邀请我们不信任的人!如果你不先行一步,参加一下我们的开放交流,你是永远不会被邀参加私人聚会的。就设这么简单,那还到底有什么不礼貌?
难道还要我为你们每个人办理签证?
而且到现在你还没回复为什么说我们不礼貌?请赐教!
看看你自己的回复说卖这锁的人会为此入狱,真是可怕,我们怎敢请你参加私人聚会呢?请别混淆诚信和礼貌了,我想我们生活在两个不同的世界,两个不兼容的世界!

14.         Jester says:

November 30, 2006 at 14:33
*waits impatiently on a reply from the russian*
A few more entries like this and i’m calling Tom Clancy to look here for a beginning of his new book ;)
To the russians:
Privet, kak dila ?
Akoodah-teh?

杰斯特 说:
要是再多几个这样的俄国佬,估计就可以叫 汤姆 克兰西来看看(汤姆•克兰西,美国军事作家,当今世界最畅销的反恐惊悚小说大师。代表作《猎杀“红十月”号》、《惊天核网》、《分裂细胞》等。),再写几本小说了!

15.         Barry says:

November 30, 2006 at 17:42
Jester: I do not think there will be any more replies. My assumption
is they did not even realize their comments were world readable.
And BTW, Privet, kak dila ? Akoodah-teh? roughly translates to ‘Hello what is up’. I checked because I would not want our Russian friends to be offended…

版主 巴瑞 回复 杰斯特:
我认为不会再收到他们的回复了。他们都不知道地球人读不懂他的回帖!kak dila ? Akoodah-teh? 应该是俄文,你好,怎么了?我查了一下,我可不想冒犯俄国朋友!

16.         Jester says:

November 30, 2006 at 19:13
Barry: I didn’t have the intention to offend our russian friends, I just wanted to “fish” (or should that be phish these days) for a conversation from them.
The russian in my previous post means: Hiya, how are you ? Where are you from ?
But I guess you are right, this seems like a dead end….
Good work on the blog btw !
Have a good one.
een oud hacktic ganger

杰斯特说:
我并没有冒犯俄国朋友的意思,我只是想试着弄懂他们在说什么!我对俄国人的第一印象:Hiya,你好吗?你来自哪儿?
但我想你是对的,他们没再回复了!

17.         The Russian Lock Club says:

December 5, 2006 at 11:01
Dear and renowned Mr. Wels, who is famous even in China,
In Amsterdam, do they sell cannabis freely in every pub, or maybe there are some restrictions to its use?
Relax, undo your pant belt, and exhale.
The reason why you refused to invite us to the closed part of the seminar is not that you do not know us, it is because you are lying under ASSA Abloy, praising this moneybag on a regular basis and getting little sops from them.
The cause of your aversion to Russian professionals who make such Russian locks is that you have found out (we think it was from Mr. Marc Weber) that ASSA Abloy has contacts with the Russian thief mafia and Russian thieves from the Caucasus.
We have let you know that there is evidence that a trip of an Oleg Samoylov to the Abloy plants in Europe was arranged by Mikko Nissinen, the Moscow representative of Abloy. Mr. Samoylov is a recidivist thief who was imprisoned in Russian prisons 7 times for a total of 17 years.
http://locksclub.nm.ru/com/new_sam_eng.shtm

And this criminal and thief now has access to all Abloy and Bjrkboda Ls Oy Ab technologies more than the distinguished Han Fey.

We have also let you know that we are appalled by the deceit of ASSA Abloy, who brought the YALE ML 14 and 04 locks to the Russian market and announced that these locks cannot be opened with lockpicks.

And we asked you and your club to check our tests for the breakdown of this lock by impression or recommend any experts who would be ready to check our conclusions about consumer deceit.

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml04/def/Yale_ML04_def.mpg
http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/test_29_eng.shtm
http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/02_10_06/Yale_02_10_06.mpg

But you said no, and we understand now that it was for conformist reasons. Another friend and business partner of yours, Mr. A. Wendt, did not want to be honest either, as he had earlier issued a fake certificate for this lock.
And we understand that speaking honestly is hard for you if you eat from the ASSA Abloy feedbox.

And of course you knew, Mr. Wels, that our coming to the seminar will mean that information will be spread out to everybody who attends that the thief world has penetrated ASSA Abloy, that thieves and lock makers are together, and that the tests of the YALE ML 14 locks for tamper resistance by Wendt are fake.

This is the main reason why you prevented our coming.
It is called cowardice.
And what you say about the visas is just ridiculous. We told you of recommendations by Silka, Cisa, and Motura, and we could have provided a dozen more recommendations of famous producers including A. Wendt themselves.

But you did not want us to come, and you decided to do it this way.
You are wrong, and you should be ashamed to tell lies to all the world.

After your childish delight about the lock it was clear that your knowledge level is bumping cylinders from China, in which you are an expert. It is no accident that your free speech about the tamper resistance of locks is based on a system: MAXimum criticism of locks made by companies outside the ASSA Abloy concern and maximum praise of your main sponsor.

Now to your warning and threats that we are not the people you like.
On your web site, you have published photos of a lock that was stolen from the Russian security service, which had been known as the KGB.
Every such lock has a number, which you also published on your photo on the web.

It means that someone from KGB is already checking how you got hold of this secret lock.
This means that you and your friends have exposed the person who sold you the lock to criminal liability and possible real punishment for stealing this secret lock.

To put it simply, this is called stupidity and betrayal of your partners.
You have decided that we are to blame for someone who you bought the lock from and who we do not know being punished severely thanks to you and your stupidity, Mr. Wels.
We gave you our opinion and warned you that such photos are dangerous for the real owner of the lock.
In response to this warning, you poured a bucket of shit on us.
You are not the one to change Russian laws, and what is good for Jupiter will not do for an ox.

You can publish any photos you like on your site, and they do not involve us personally, but if you have a molecule of intellect, we would advise you not to shout so loudly about nuclear bomb locks and not to show their design to everybody.
It all looks like helping terrorists.

Thank you, Mr. Wels, for your very existence.
If you did not exist, it would be worthwhile to invent you.
Say hello to your ASSA Abloy friends and let them increase their sponsorship contributions.

It looks like you are suffering from an illness called I am the only one who is right and who can make judgment about everything.

You should work for the Russian KGB “ your decision making methods would suit them perfectly.
It is not democratic, and it does not mean freedom of opinion “ more like a dictator.
Your coming on the internet with your opinions does not mean that nobody has a contrary opinion.

The of democracy is that you cannot not decide on your own who and where will get truthful information about locks.
Forgive us for being rude, but you are too arrogant and asking for a not-so-polite reply.

We have attended your seminars anyway and have our own opinion about your and your seminars.

The beer you serve people should not be so warm, and it would be great if you put some cannabis on the table for a better perception of your ideas and yourself.
We wish you to lose some weight, as it is sad to see how you cannot put your sneakers on because of your belly.
You should eat less in the evening and stop drinking beer and smoking.
If your club is a public organization, it is a long time you should be reelected.
It looks like from a good sportsman locksmith you have turned into a good bureaucrat who wants good money.
We are sure it is not just our opinion.
With friendly professional greetings to the Saint Lock Roman Pope, Mr. Wels
The Russian Lock Club


俄罗斯锁艺协会 说:
亲爱的,尊贵的威尔先生,你可知道谁在中国最有名,
在阿姆斯特丹,难道会有人在酒吧里公开贩卖大麻?还设这些东西是被管制的?
不要紧张,深呼吸一下!
你拒绝邀请我们参加研讨会的私人聚会并非你不认识我们,而是因为你效力于ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱:是当今世界领先的锁具制造商和全球顶尖的锁具供应商,作为全球最大的门控五金集团,在世界130个国家拥有150间锁具制造厂及销售公司,年营业额三十亿美金)。所以你必须讨好这个金饭碗!
你之所以讨厌俄国专业锁匠,是因为你发现ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱)秘密接触了一些俄国偷盗黑手党,以及一些来自高加索的小偷!
可以告诉你有证据显示Oleg Samoylov先生来ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱)的欧洲工厂参观是由ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱)的俄罗斯地区经理安排的。Oleg Samoylov先生是一名惯偷,曾经在俄罗斯7次被逮捕,总共被关押长达17年之久。
而现在这名罪犯在ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱)集团的地位甚至比你的好友Han Fey还要高!
ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱)曾经带上耶鲁 ML 14-4型号的锁到俄罗斯并声称该锁无法被技术性开启,而我们对他们的欺骗行为倍感惊讶!
现在我们就请各位看一下这个锁具是如何使用暗配来打开的,不知大家对这样的欺骗消费者有什么看法!

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml04/def/Yale_ML04_def.mpg

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/test_29_eng.shtm

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/02_10_06/Yale_02_10_06.mpg

但你否认了我们,现在我们明白你是为了维护自己的声誉。你的另外一个好友和生意伙伴A. Wendt先生也同样不想承认事实。因为他之前为这锁出具虚假证书出的问题!
而且我们也知道只要你还在效力于ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱),你就不会讲真话!
当然了,威尔先生,你知道我们的出席将会意味着ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱)集团和黑手党联手的黑幕被曝光,而大家就知道A. Wendt先生出具的证书就必假无疑了!
这才是你拒绝我们参加研讨会的原因!这就是心虚!
对于你说的签证问题那真是好笑。我们能拿出Silka, Cisa, 还有 Motura等等一大堆名望集团的推荐信,甚至是您的好友A. Wendt先生出具的。
但你选择了拒绝我们的参加!这个错误的选择,你应该对大家受到的蒙骗感到愧疚!
看着你对这锁具幼稚的喜悦,就可得知你这个专家的智商仅限于用撞匙开启中国产的锁芯。之所以你对锁具的虚假言论不被揭穿,其实是由幕后推手的。
至于你说我们是不受欢迎的人。你在你的博客上发布了从俄罗斯安全机构KGB盗出的锁具(克格勃一直是苏联对外情报工作、反间谍工作。国内安全工作和边境保卫等工作的主要负责部门,它只对中央政治局负责),所有的锁具都有其独立的序列号,而你也将它在博客中公开了。
这意味着KGB内部的某位官员正在接受调查。也意味着你和你的朋友已经将出售者暴露了,这可是需要负刑事责任的!
说白了这就是愚昧的对自己伙伴的背叛!
感谢你的无知,为我们揪出潜在的叛徒!
我们早已警告你,这些照片会对该锁的原主人构成不利。但你无视我们的忠告并且诬陷我们!
你可以在博客上发表任何图片,也不会和我们有任何关系,但如果你还有那么一点头脑,我们建议您不要到处张扬着把核设施锁具,而且不要展示它的结构!
如果你这样做的,等于在协助恐怖分子!
还真要感谢您的存在,威尔先生!
请替我们向您的ASSA ABLOY (亚萨合莱)朋友问好,好让他们为你加薪!
看你做决定的态势和KGB一模一样,你应该替KGB卖命!
一点都不民主,也听不进反对的声音,就像一个独裁者!你在网络上发表言论,并不是每个人都持相同观点的!
真正的民主不是你一个人说了算的。
如有冒犯请多多包涵,不过你也实在太骄傲自大了,居然请教自己那里做的不够周到。
不需要你的邀请,我们已经参加过研讨会了,对你和你的研讨会都有看法!
你提供的啤酒不应该太热,也许你多抽些大麻会更有助于你的思维!
我们建议你也应该减减肥,看到你几乎都穿不上运动鞋了,真替你难过!
你应该减少膳食和烟酒。如果你的俱乐部是个大众组织,你还要连任很长时间哦!
看起来你已经从一个优秀的锁匠成功蜕变为贪财的官僚主义者!而且肯定不止我们一个人这么想!
到这里先谢谢了!
俄罗斯锁艺协会


18.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:

December 5, 2006 at 13:41
Look at the grandfather of your \

俄罗斯锁艺协会 说:
看看你爷爷的样子 \

19.         TOWCH says:

December 5, 2006 at 13:49
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=16965

TOWCH 说:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=16965

20.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:

December 5, 2006 at 13:49
Look at the grandfather of your Russian
和我们俄国的比起来,你还是孙子的孙子!
lock:http://locksclub.nm.ru/foto/tatar/index.shtm

21.         Frank says:

December 6, 2006 at 23:19
I guess they told you. Mr. Russian fellow that is a very interesting lock you have. I would have to say you won that round.
弗兰克 说:
我猜他们想告诉你。他们对这把锁也很感兴趣。不过你也很值得这样的追捧!

22.         S.COWLISHAW says:

November 22, 2007 at 01:38
Hello,I have a similar lock to the Russian one you show,only it operates in a peculiar manner with two very intricate keys and combo.The keys work in unison together,one key is inserted into the front of the lock cylinder,the other is inserted into the righthand side of the lock.Now you can \
S.COWLISHAW 说:
我有一个和你展示的锁相近的锁具,这是它的操作由2把复杂的钥匙和密码组成。两把钥匙构成双开,一把插在锁芯正面,另一把插在右边!

23.         Barry says:

February 18, 2008 at 17:49
A follow up is found here: http://www.toool.nl/blackbag/?p=81
版主 巴瑞 回复:
相关联接:http://www.toool.nl/blackbag/?p=81

24.        More russian spy locks « Blackbag, Barry’s weblog says:
May 23, 2010 at 16:22
[...] all these people had things to tell and … locks to show. As you might know I am a big fan of ‘the rare russian lock’, and was in the blessed circumstance to have held three different models of these masterpieces in [...]
游客 说:
这些人都有故事说…有锁具展示,我也是个谍报锁的发烧友,要是我也能拿到一个就好了!

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